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Who's really the greatest?Micheal,Larry or Magic

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Submitted by gyakwo on Wed, 2005-09-07 11:02.

I just want to find out from u guys who was the best? personally i pick Micheal simply because he's the only player who can have the same dominating effect offensively and defensively!

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Light | Wed, 2007-01-17 07:58

Based on the limited amount of NBA I've watched in my time (I live in Australia), I too would have to say Michael Jordan. He really did amaze me every time I saw him play!

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Crowelds34 | Wed, 2006-05-03 15:10

I think Steve has some very valid points, as do most of all of you. I personally in my own opinion, think Michael is the greatest. I think so not statistically though, I've read all of his books, I've studied how he plays. He's a great leader, and he's inspiring. His internal drive is hard to imagine. If MJ's internal drive is hard to understand, I wonder what Wilt and Bill's drive were like? All were great in their days of playing, but you cannot justify who is better because alot of questions are mere "opinions" or "analyzed" because of the rule changes.
I agree with Steve that the rules would have a huge impact on Michael's game. Michael was great, but he did it with other great players. Look at the teams nowadays....NBA Champions are teams with multiple amazing athletes who can put up numbers. Wilt never had that. He did alot of it by himself. John Wooden said..."I would rather have a player who makes his team great, than to have one great player." Wilt certainly made his team great, as did Michael over time, but Wilt did it the moment he stepped into the NBA. Michael did alot for Chicago, but I have heard numerous stories of how selfish he was. It shows on the court also.

However, I do not think Michael could have never accomplished any challenge he was faced with. The same for Wilt and Bill...and in this day Kobe Bryant and soon to be LeBron James. These are top notch caliber players. Shaq wrote in his book about Kobe "I've seen Kobe do things above the rim that most of us who are in the NBA, only dream about doing." Kobe has a tremendous ego, but I've seen him play in person and he is just graceful. His body language, his movement, his character, his patience. The things he's able to do with the basketball is amazing..all of this makes him the best player in the game..not just the numbers he puts up. The same is for Wilt, Bill, Michael, Lebron, and everyone else out there. It's more than just a numbers and statistics game. Great players are made in off seasons, and I'm sure every single one of these players mentioned...instead of the partying lifestyle or whatever, were always the first ones in the gym and the last ones to leave. GUARANTEED! That's why they are ALL the greatest. "Winners do what losers won't do."

Maybe I'm just rambling, and maybe none of this makes sense, but statistically, Michael can't even compare to Wilt. BOTTOM LINE! Steve obviously knows the game and he proved that(just read below) Shaq can't compare to Wilt. Wilt is by far the best to ever play the game....Michael is number 2 in my opinion. I was not around to see Wilt in the NBA, so that is the only reason I feel Michael is the best. He was the best that I saw with my own eyes. Shaq is by far the most dominant center to ever play since Wilt, Michael is by far the best to ever play since Wilt, and the buck has been passed to Kobe, and LeBron will soon follow. But statistically, Wilt dominates EVERYBODY....and he did it CONSISTENTLY!

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oldbinks | Mon, 2006-05-01 13:06

MR Russell and MR Chamberlain mite be better Russell has the rings Wilt had the dominece NObody today could deal with either

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foxvince | Wed, 2006-02-08 07:41

I dont like comparing players really.Because I respect all of them.I respect every single part of their game.All I can say is Michael is the greatest of alltime as I've said in my previous post.Michael won 6 championship crown for chicago bulls.Lot of scoring titles in his name and also MVP awards.

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SteveMerk | Wed, 2006-02-08 17:51

Once more, Wilt is simply more dominating. While Jordan fans are quick to point out Wilt's flaw (free throws), I can equally point out that Jordan was not that great of a 3 point shooter, unless the line is moved in (the league's attempt to help inferior players score more).

Jordan averaged 1 asst/game more than Wilt during his career, and this is while he has been enjoying the luxury of looser rules governing assists. Had the rulebook been the same back then as it now, governing assists, this number would be even.

Jordan's took more shots than Wilt, yet both averaged 30.1 ppg during their careers. As far as who was the better scorer, there is no question: During Wilt's first 7 years, he scored like no man in history. Jordan never had a 70+ point game. Wilt had 4. Jordan never averaged 38+ ppg for a season. Wilt did it 3 times. I've seen Jordan make ridiculous claims that Wilt was another Shaq, yet Jordan flaunts his ignorance. Wilt came into the league with a jump shot and used the finger-roll and fade-away as go-to moves, whereas Shaq has never developed these shots and spent years with a very raw offensive game made up of dunks. Wilt was stronger than Shaq, a better leaper, and far more schooled in the fundamentals. Furthermore, Cavs GM Wayne Embry disagrees with Jordan. He says Wilt would have no problems against today's defenses. Nearly every rules change has been made to help the defense. Against these rules, Wilt would clearly dominate.

Jordan was also much more selfish. When Wilt's coaches asked him to score, he did. When they asked him to sacrificed his scoring titles, he did. Jordan fought any attempt to cut back his shot attempts. Read about Jordan's spats with Phil Jackson. Read about how he put down Tex Winter and the triangle! Even his own teammate Horace Grant said that Jordan cared more about his points than the team. If Wilt had that selfish attitude, there is no telling how many more points he would have. Also, if you take Wilt's scoring through the same number of career games, his scoring average is higher.

Wilt is a vastly superior rebounder, and while Jordan fans will point out that "Wilt should have more, since he is a center", I counter that Jordan should have a lot more assists, since he is a guard, but the numbers do not support him. Wilt is one of the greatest passers ever at center, but Jordan isn't as dominating at his position with respect to rebounds (Oscar and Magic, for instance, are both better rebounders). And while Jordan does have more 1st team all defensive selections, keep in mind that #1) the team wasn't created until Wilt's 10th year in the league and #2) Only one center is selected vs. two guards. If Jordan were the greatest defensive guard ever, there would be a point, but as long as Walt Frazier is remembered, Jordan could never be better than #2.

Jordan has also received the benefit of rules changes that have been implemented to help offensive players, such as well-defined rules concerning zones, rules against hand checking, and flagrant fouls. He's been spoiled by the luxuries given to the modern player, such as chartered planes, first class hotels, superior athletic shoes, and modern sports medicine (and he still hasn't approached Wilt's minutes per game!). Jordan has benefited from the joke that has become NBA officiating, in which superstars receive preferential treatment, and Jordan has probably received more than any player in history. The steps and the fouls he got away with are ridiculous!

Consider also that Jordan benefited from the dilution of talent in the 1990s that came from expansion, giving him inferior talent to play against, compared to the 1980s. It is no coincidence that Jordan's teammate, Dennis Rodman, said that the 1996 Bulls could not have won 70 games playing against 1980s teams. While Jordan has many accomplishments, they cannot compare to Wilt's, and while the press and the Jordan radicals try to rationalize Wilt's numbers, as you can see, it's equally easy to rationalize Jordan's, and when it comes down to it, Wilt is still the most dominating player in history, and Jordan has never came close to threatening Wilt's 100 point game or 50.4 PPG average, and scoring is supposed to be Jordan's specialty, let alone Wilt's 8.6 APG in a season, or his rebounding numbers, or his 72.7% field goal percentage.

Finally, consider each player's ability to carry a team. Wilt came into the league and carried a bad team to immediate contention. He took the 1962 Warriors, not a great team, to the 7th game of the conference finals, where they lost by 2 points on a controversial call, to the champion Celtics. Jordan, on the other hand, came into the league and joined a losing team and after 3 years, they were STILL a losing team. He was 1-9 in the playoffs and posted 3 consecutive losing seasons. The truth is, Jordan played 5 seasons without Scottie Pippen and in each of those 5 seasons, he could not win more games than he lost, and in the final 2 years, he failed to get Washington to the playoffs. Yes, he was older than Wilt when Wilt retired, but Wilt played MANY more minutes, because Jordan retired 3 times. The fact is, without great teammates, Jordan was a loser. Wilt, on the other hand, could carry a poor team much farther than Jordan, showing just how much more dominant he was.

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SteveMerk | Mon, 2006-01-09 12:08

He was the most awesome offensive force the game has ever seen! As NBA Hall of Fame guard Oscar Robertson said, "the books don't lie"! He was the only NBA player to score 4,000 points in a season. He set NBA single game records for most points (100), most consecutive field goals (18) and most rebounds (55). Perhaps his most mind-boggling stat was the 50.4 points per game he averaged during the 1961-62 season--and if not that, then perhaps the 48.5 minutes per game he averaged that same season.

He led the NBA in scoring seven years in a row! He was the leagues top rebounder in 11 of his 14 seasons. And to prove that he was not a selfish player, he had the NBA's highest assist total in 1967-68

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SteveMerk | Fri, 2006-01-06 17:54

Wilt Chamberlain is the greatest basketball player that ever lived. Only NBA player to score 100 points in one game and look at the stats. No comparison. And don't count "rings" because he never had players to compliment him like Russell, Bird and Magic. I saw them all in person!!

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oldbinks | Mon, 2006-05-01 13:22

Without bill they dont win all those rings and its a team game thats why bill is the best

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gyakwo | Sat, 2006-01-07 10:06

There is no doubt in my mind wilt was one of the most dominating players ever. I just have this to say,sure Wilt scored a 100 in one game but that was a regular season game Mike on the other hand has the highest point total in a post-season game with 63 points. Plus he has the most in post-season history. Talk about doing it when it counts.Thats my take on it!

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Bballmo2 | Wed, 2005-09-28 20:11

MJ, MJ, oh and...MJ

"Work in progress..." ~jj~
Mo

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Steve | Sat, 2005-09-17 14:07

He is claiming Chi Town, and no one does it better.

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Havick-17 | Thu, 2005-09-15 10:48

Havick-17 Adam Hunter

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Sylita | Wed, 2005-09-07 11:15

I would have to say Michael Jordan as well. But all players had something unique so in the end they are about equal, however Michael Jordan seemed to have it all!

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sbc22 | Tue, 2005-09-13 13:47

Ive seen all three play, each was good in their own right, but MJ, made watching basketball enjoyable, he made you run home from church, he made you stay up late working on that college assignment, no other professional athlete has ever had that effect on me. I just enjoyed watching him play. MJ made basketball much more exciting than magic or bird, although it was fun watching them play against him. Michael Jordan was and is the greatest player of all time.

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Chris Jones 32 | Tue, 2006-05-02 15:08

Magic Earvin Johson is the greatest player of all time. Everything you said about Michael Jordan above applies to Magic. He revolutionized the game as a 6'9 point guard who could play all 5 positions. As a 20 year Rookie he scored 42 points 15 rebounds and 7 assists as a center against the Philadelphia 76ers. The reason why Wilt and Russell can't be the greates of all time is because they played center and relied on guards to get them the ball. They weren't able to to take over the game on the perimeter. Someone had to get them the ball, that means the greatest all around basketball player has to handle the ball against pressure and pick and choose who gets the ball and when.

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